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Don’t say conservatives have been warning shit this all a conservative problems something’s wrong with conservatives now we have the freaking nazi police cuz of trump

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You people are stupid and irresponsible. Or, the other possibility, you're a completely Marxist outlet wanting to tear apart America by promoting this lie that peaceful protestors are being rounded up for peacefully protesting.

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Chad Wolf told Fox News people were being "proactively arrested." They are being grabbed off the streets and thrown into unmarked vehicles because unnamed "officers" don't like the way they look. https://www.newsweek.com/portland-federal-agents-minority-report-1519574

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One final note, the statement "Federal stormtroopers" puts the entire article in an intentional light of an oppressive government doing bad things. Certainly not objective in any sense of the word, certainly very intentional, and certainly very misleading.

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The exact quote from Chad: "Anytime you attack a federal facility such as a courthouse there in Portland, that is a federal crime. Uh...attacking federal police officers, law enforcement officers, which they have done for 52 nights in a row, is a federal crime and so the department, because we don't have that local support, that local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrest these individuals, and, and we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable..."

So, you are making it sound like they are arresting innocent people just because they are there to peacefully protest. Context is important. These people that they are arresting have already been seen breaking the law and they are being arrested so they don't do it again. The Dems running Portland are doing NOTHING to stop this for one of very few bad reasons: They are stupid and think it's just going to go away, they are supportive of the unrest, they want to make it look like it's all Trump's fault.

Your story supports the later by saying and implying that Trump is doing all of this because he's everything the Trump haters say he is. You don't even acknowledge the fact that it is, under Federal law, the duty of the secretary of DHS to protect federal property. It's also well known that many of the BLM and Antifa activists are intentionally out to riot, loot, burn, and destroy anything they see as part of the old system and replace it with a new one. They've been interviewed saying it, some of their leaders such as Hawk Newsome have said it ion social media. Do you really, honestly believe that these people should be left to their destructive devices, to burn and destroy any building or business they desire, so they can hopefully force a change in government?

Whether the changes they want are right or wrong, the methods they are using are nothing but wrong and harmful to all.

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First Unitarian Church of Portland is among those suing federal law enforcement for violating the First Amendment and the Tenth Amendment, accusing Trump of kidnapping people who were walking home peacefully, far from federal buildings. https://katu.com/news/local/new-lawsuit-filed-accuses-federal-law-enforcement-of-violating-tenth-amendment-in-portland

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So this time instead of not reporting all the facts and making stuff up (i.e. - "Federal Stormtroopers"), you cite a story lacking in facts and which also is errant just as your was. let me educate you and the readers a little bit.

First, once again, it is the duty by federal law for DHS to protect federal buildings. This is also constitutional as the Constitution give the power to protect federal land to the federal government. Further, the Constitution gives the federal government the authority to protect all people within our borders. Finally, if someone is seen taking part in a federal crime, it is fully within the authority of federal agents to track them down and pick them up.

As for the allegations by the church, it has admitted that one of its missions is to take part in protests and to be activists. What does this mean? We don't know because the article does not go any further, nor does the church. It could mean they were taking part in any number of the crimes being committed - rioting, burning, looting, vandalism, etc. - or it could mean what they said it does, stand around and observe and try to deflate. The point is, we don't know because we have no context from which to draw any conclusion one way or the other. So, again, to state that "Federal stormtroopers" are kidnapping innocent people is misleading at best.

As for the "kidnapping" allegation, the federal statute, in short, defines it as:

18 U.S. Code § 1201.Kidnapping

(a)Whoever unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds for ransom or reward or otherwise any person, except in the case of a minor by the parent thereof, when—

Some descriptions of actions follows, too long to quote here, followed by the punishment. The key words in the statute are "Whoever unlawfully" which in this case does not apply to law enforcement when they are conducting their duties as law enforcement. We do not know that these persons were not committing a crime or were not seen committing a crime prior to being arrested. We weren't there and the suspects certainly would not admit to it if they were. The statement that they were kidnapped is only a term that a defense attorney would, and should, use in defense of their client, but certainly not an objective person. Are you objective or biased?

Assuming for a moment that the persons in question were not taking part in any of the vandalism and other direct crimes relating to the federal property, the question then remains what were they doing? Were they possibly supporting the individuals committing those crimes? Merely supporting those that were actively rioting is a federal crime itself defined as "incite to riot". If they were inciting to riot, they are still subject to being arrested at any time, anywhere within the United States and its territories.

As for releasing them elsewhere, it is up to the arresting officers, or rather their superior, to determine whether or not suspects should be let go for a number of reasons. Those reasons might include letting them off with a warning instead of arresting them, determining they had the wrong persons in custody, or finding out that they were mistaken as to the actions of the persons. In any of these scenarios, the officers certainly would not release them back near the riots (and these are riots, not protests - stop making them out to be peaceful as they are anything but) so that they could get wrapped up in the mayhem again.

In short, the article cited lacks important details necessary to make any determination at all as to who was in the right and who was not. Anyone taking part in a riot, or being in the vicinity by choice, runs the risk of being arrested, detained, jailed, or worse. It's just dumb to get that close unless you have some ID that indicates you're not part of the problem (even reporters know the risks, or they should). Could the officers have made a mistake or taken things too far? Certainly, they are only human. Should Trump be demonized as causing this people to be "kidnapped"? Not by any stretch of any objective person's imagination. If the officers did do something wrong, then they should be held accountable, but YOU should not be demonizing them, nor the President, nor DHS for lawfully and morally trying to stop a mob of thugs from destroying property, assaulting federal officers, and (probably) harming innocent people.

As for the rest, if the cities, counties, and states will not protect the people, who is supposed to do it? The 2nd Amendment says we can do it ourselves, but shouldn't the authorities - in this case the well trained FBI, DEA, ATF, CBP agents NOT troops as you all keep alleging - be a safer solution?

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Via Fox News: Rep. Eric Swalwell: Trump improperly deploys fed law officers to cities as his political storm troopers https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-protests-portland-chicago-eric-swalwell

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His supporters must've loved the part of history class with that guy Hitler

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You must be blind, part of the problem, or never received a decent education to have come up with a statement like that. How is arresting criminals akin to Hitler?

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They are not protesters, they are rioters destructing federal property and these police have the right to protect federal buildings.

Defacing, burning down and looting is all lawlessness! This is not peaceful, it’s ANARCHY & we the people have had enough.

We’re getting ready for a civil war if these #BLM & #ANTIFA FASCISTS don’t stop.

We’ve been stocking up on guns & ammo as we are law abiding Americans who have had enough.

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You’re not law-abiding and you most certainly aren’t American. You’re a punch-drunk, terribly fragile, cult member, owned outright by a psychopathic, pussy-grabbing, tax-evading, impeached, phony tangerine billionaire from Jamaica, Queens that New Yorkers have laughed at for decades.

And you’ve been stocking up on guns and ammo because it’s part of a whole little tin soldier fantasy you’ve clung to for your entire insignificant life. SAD!

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Bring it on keyboard warrior. Do you think you'll be able to get up from your rascal scooter long enough to fire a shot before needing to sit back down and take more oxygen from your tank?

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Over 25 million in damages to Portland and you call it graffiti. You’re either outright lying or you’re a complete idiot. Either way you suck. Your TDS is showing. Did you forget your medication again?

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Waaaahhhhhh, graffiti....waaaahhhhh....people protesting waaaaahhhhhh. The civil war is coming and if you don't die from diabetes or Covid-19, I can promise you won't be on the front lines.

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